Roc-A-Fella alum and former State Property member Oschino Vasquez appeared on a podcast for the African Cultural Art Forum in Philadelphia recently and weighed in on Kendrick vs. Drake. The Philly rapper — whose known for the gritty realism in his music — surprised the room when he deemed Kendrick Lamar “overrated.”

When asked about the feud, Oschino bigged up Drake, saying, “First of all, Drake got a whole country behind him. Drake got the most hits. Girls like Drake. Drake comes across as a nice guy,” before predicting Rick Ross is going to lose “a lot of fans” for beefing with the Canadian rapper.

But when he was asked about Kendrick, the State Property member had to think about his answer before saying, “Kendrick can rap, too, but I think he’s overrated,” before shaking his head and adding, “I know people are gonna be talkin’ s–t.” He explained his stance further, telling the host, “All of his songs are not hot to me. When Drake sings, I hate it. When Drake sings, I cut it off. I say, ‘Drake, don’t do this.’ When Kendrick Lamar sings on some of his songs, he tries to go too deep.”

He drills down further, giving Kendrick credit for his lyricism, but that’s about it. “People like something they don’t understand a little bit,” he says. “You need to be saying some crazy double entendres sometimes, but Kendrick Lamar got a lot of songs I don’t like. Lyrics? He hot. But some of the songs, they ain’t for me.”

Later on in the interview, he outs himself as a Drake fan, saying, “Drake is the best. As far as rappin’? I think Drake’s better than all of them because consistently he puts some s–t out. It’s hot, it’s lyrical, it’s everything.”

Oschino has been making a name for himself online as a podcaster and vlogger. A couple weeks ago, Oschino posted a clip on his YouTube saying he thought Drake won the battle after listening to all of the songs.

If you’re not familiar with Oschino, you can start here.